Glenn Kirschner – Donald Trump’s personal handling of stolen classified documents increases odds he will be prosecuted
Meidas Touch – Former Navy Pilot HUMILIATES Ron DeSantis for Cringey ‘Top Gun’ Ad
The Lincoln Project – Last Week in the Republican Party, August 23, 2022
MSNBC – Lawrence O-Donnell – Trump Love Letters (continues with Uvalde school Board, but mostly about documents)
“Mrs F” – everyone has big feelings sometimes (Nameless – the entire soundtrack is a toddler having a meltdown I’m sure you have heard enough of those to imagine it.)
Beau – Let’s talk about Trump begging McConnell for help….
Experts in autocracies have pointed out that it is, unfortunately, easy to slip into normalizing the tyrant, hence it is important to hang on to outrage. These incidents which seem to call for the efforts of the Greek Furies (Erinyes) to come and deal with them will, I hope, help with that. As a reminder, though no one really knows how many there were supposed to be, the three names we have are Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone. These roughly translate as “unceasing,” “grudging,” and “vengeful destruction.”
“Prosecuting a president is divisive and sometimes destabilizing” – well, no – ahem – no lie, Sherlock. There are lots of people saying that. What very few seem to be saying, including those who believe Donald Trump** should be prosecuted, is that it isn’t so much the prosecution which is divisive and/or destablilzing is the brute fact of a president being a criminal. In other words, let’s face it – NOT prosecuting a criminal president is divisive and sometimes destabilizing.
Some nations have prosecuted former presidents – some have even prosecuted serving presidents (impeaching them first would be nice, but isn’t always possible – as few know better than Americans who have been around since before 2016.) But here are some examples, and some considerations.
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Prosecuting a president is divisive and sometimes destabilizing – here’s why many countries do it anyway
While charging a former president with a criminal offense would be a first in the United States, in other countries ex-leaders are routinely investigated, prosecuted and even jailed.
At first glance, prosecuting current or past top officials accused of illegal conduct seems like an obvious decision for a democracy: Everyone should be subject to the rule of law.
But presidents and prime ministers aren’t just anyone. They are chosen by a nation’s citizens or their parties to lead. They are often popular, sometimes revered. So judicial proceedings against them are inevitably perceived as political and become divisive.
Destabilizing prosecutions
This is partly why U.S. President Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, his predecessor, in 1974. Despite clear evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the Watergate scandal, Ford feared the country “would needlessly be diverted from meeting (our) challenges if we as a people were to remain sharply divided over” punishing the ex-president.
Public reaction at the time was divided along party lines. Today, some now see absolving Nixon as necessary to heal the nation, while others believe it was a historic mistake, even taking Nixon’s deteriorating health into account – if for no other reason than it emboldens future impunity of the kind Trump is accused of.
Our research on prosecuting world leaders finds that both sweeping immunity and overzealous prosecutions can undermine democracy. But such prosecutions pose different risks for older democracies such as France and the U.S. than they do in younger democracies like South Africa.
Mature democracies
Strong democracies are usually competent enough – and the judicial system independent enough – to prosecute politicians who misbehave, including top leaders.
Sarkozy is France’s second modern president to be found guilty of corruption, after Jacques Chirac in 2011 for kickbacks and an attempt to bribe a magistrate. The country didn’t fall apart after either conviction. Some observers, however, say that Sarkozy’s three-year prison sentence was too harsh and politically motivated.
Did these prosecutions deter future leaders from wrongdoing? For what it’s worth, Korea’s two most recent presidents have so far kept out of legal trouble.
Overzealous prosecution versus rule of law
Even in mature democracies, prosecutors or judges can abuse prosecutions. But overzealous political prosecution is more likely, and potentially more damaging, in emerging democracies where courts and other public institutions may be insufficiently independent from politics. The weaker and more beholden the judiciary, the easier it is for leaders to exploit the system, either to expand their own power or to take down an opponent.
Depending on one’s perspective, Brazil’s crisis reveals that nobody is above the law or that the government is incorrigibly corrupt – or both. With such confusion, it becomes easier for politicians and voters to view leaders’ transgressions as a normal cost of doing business.
Historically, Mexico has taken a different approach to prosecuting past presidents: It doesn’t.
During the 20th century, Mexico’s ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, established a system of patronage and corruption that kept its members in power and other parties in the minority. While making a show of going after smaller fish for petty indiscretions, the PRI-run legal system wouldn’t touch top party officials, even the most openly corrupt.
Impunity kept Mexico stable during its transition to democracy in the 1990s by placating PRI members’ fears of prosecution after leaving office. But government corruption flourished, and with it, organized crime.
Protecting authoritarians – including those who oversaw human rights violations – may seem contrary to democratic values, but many transitional governments have decided it is necessary for democracy to take root.
That’s the bargain South Africa struck as apartheid’s decades of segregation and human rights abuses ended in the early 1990s. South Africa’s white-dominated government negotiated with Nelson Mandela’s Black-led African National Congress to ensure outgoing government members and supporters would avoid prosecution and largely retain their wealth.
Corruption is a problem, too, as former President Zuma’s prosecution for lavish personal use of public funds shows. But South Africa has a famously independent judiciary. Despite pushback from some African National Congress stalwarts and several legal appeals, Zuma’s prosecution continues. And it may yet deter future misdeeds.
How mature is mature?
Israel is partly a testament to the rule of law – and partly a cautionary tale about prosecuting leaders in democracies.
Israel didn’t wait for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to leave office to investigate wrongdoing. But the court process was fraught with delays, in part because Netanyahu used state power to resist what he called a “witch hunt.”
The trial triggered protests by his Likud party. Netanyahu tried unsuccessfully to secure immunity and stall. He was even reelected while under indictment, and his trial is not over yet.
If Trump is criminally prosecuted, the process would reveal something fundamental about American democracy. Whatever the outcomes, they would be a matter of both law – and politics.
============================================================== Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone, I heard an anecdote once – supposedly a true one, and it very well could be – about a woman who had not gone to college upon graduation from high school, but had dreamed of a career which required a college degree. Later in life, with all her children grown and out of the family home, she was talking to a friend about this, and mentioned her discouragement of thinking, “If I start now, then when I graduate, I’ll be sixty.” He friend gently asked, “And how old will you be in four years if you don’t start college now?”
That is how it seems to me about the question of prosecuting Trump**. Assuming there is sufficient court evidence (I say that because there is plenty of evidence visible to all), would prosecuting not be at least as likely to bring about unity as further division? I mean, how much more divided can we get?
Yesterday, although I know I have to rest today (being an opera day), I tried to rest, and especially to rest my shoulders and knee. I’m succeeding in managing them, but it’s delicate, and I want to be sure to be able to get all those bags out for the pickup Thursday. Some things I can put out in advance – but even the heaviest duty 30gal (that’s 113 and a half liters) bags will deteriorate if left outside for more than a day or two. And I want to be sure I can get them all out by the end of Wednesday.
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Democratic Underground (kpete) – The forever war has been cut back by like 95 percent and Biden has gotten no credit for it
Quote – [E]very time I point this out the main reaction is astonishment. both Biden’s people and the press are falling down at communicating a real basic fact about the world Click through for more. This is a compilation (links provided) with readable charts and facts which need to be more widelt known.
CREW – Secret Service held onto Pelosi threat until after insurrection
Quote – On January 4, Secret Service agents discovered a Parler account, which we’ve chosen not to name, posting a series of violent threats towards lawmakers. Other profiles with the same name appeared on Twitter, MeWe, Bitchute, Youtube and Facebook. On December 31, the account posted, “January 6 starts #1776 all over again…Fight for EVERYTHING” and listed “Enemies,” including Pelosi. At 5:55 pm on January 6, after hours of defending the United States Capitol from a violent mob, the United States Capitol Police received the post along with a message from the Secret Service: “Good afternoon, The US Secret Service is passing notification to the US Capitol Police regarding discovery of a social media threat directed toward Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Click through for full story. After Trump** fired a number of IGs for telling the truth about his lies, Joe promised not to fire and IG, and I get it. But Cuffari needs to go. A ongressional investigation might accomplish that, keep Joe out of it, and perhaps even make the wrongdoing more public than CREW can.
Glenn Kirschner – The mystery of the seizure and subsequent return of Donald Trump’s passports . . . solved? (This could explain why the diplomatic passport was returned along with the other two, even though he’s no longer entitled to have it.) [Actually he is, as Nameless will, I’m sure, be happy to explain. In fact, he already has, in previous posts’ comments]
Meidas Touch – Legendary Watergate Reporter compares Trump to Gangster AL CAPONE, calls Republicans ‘cowards’
The Lincoln Project – Outsider
Ojeda Live – What it Means to Hold Top Security Clearance
Liberal Redneck – Liz Cheney and the New GOP
Beau – Let’s talk about tfg’s claim about his passports….
Glenn Kirschner – Why Donald Trump’s possible violation of the Espionage Act must be prosecuted
Meidas Touch – Navy Vet REACTS to Trump’s Acts of Espionage
The Lincoln Project – Peril
Robert Reich – Why Does Krysten Sinema Want to Keep This Tax Loophole Open? [What has happened is that it was replaced by a 1% excise tax on stock buybacks. That is not as good as closing the loophole, but at least it hits corporations rather than normal people. It was John Hickenlooper’s idea and CPR is very proid of that but I’m unimpressed. It is approximately the same amount of money coming in.)
Brent Terhune – They stormed Mar-a-Lago
Beau – Let’s talk about Pennsylvania, Perry, and subpoenas….